為什麼有些發燒友害怕測量？

[Leo Yeh]

Absolute Phase:
A Prerequisite To Optimum Performance


The phrase absolute phase, seems to be one that is widely misunderstood. The term phase is most often used to describe the orientation of the + and - terminals of the speaker and amplifier. This relationship is more accurately defined by the termpolarity. In other words, a system whose + and - amplifier terminals are connected to the speakers' + and - input terminals, is properly connected from the standpoint of polarity, but not necessarily phase. It is true that reversing the polarity of one speaker will put that channel out of phase with the other, but the polarity is reversed. The following text will help to explain the concept more completely.
To better understand how phase and polarity are related, let us examine the very beginning of the process that brings music into our homes - the recording session. Musical instruments create sound by modulating the air, producing sound "waves." These sound waves are actually compressions and rarefactions of the air molecules. The pressure changes impinge upon our eardrums and are interpreted by our brain into the sounds we hear. A microphone, like our eardrums, senses these same pressure changes, converting them into electrical impulses which are fed to the recording equipment.
When the leading edge of a musical waveform (compression) strikes the microphone diaphragm, a positive voltage is created at the microphone output. Similarly, as the waveform passes, its trailing edge (rarefaction) produces a negative voltage output from the microphone. Simple, right? No, unfortunately. For in between the microphone and your ears lie a vast array of electrical "obstacles," each capable of skewing phase to some degree.
Ideally, after all the mixing, signal processing, mastering and cutting have been completed, that same positive output voltage from the microphone will produce a positive (forward) motion of the loudspeaker diaphragm. Often it does not, and therein lies the rub.
The making of records is a very complex process involving a bewildering quantity of electronic equipment, each possessing the potential to manipulate phase. The microphone, cables, mixing console, tape machines and the myriad of signal processors (delay, echo, reverb, equalizers, limiters etc., etc.) could each be wired out of phase with respect to one another. In addition, smaller phase errors (several degrees here and there) may occur within the electronics of any of these components. Finally, your stereo system may perform tricks of its own to further complicate the issue. Many tube preamps for instance, invert phase. Often this occurs only in the phono section, which puts the turntable out of phase with the line sources. So, after the original signal has traversed its' long and complicated path, it may arrive at your ears out of phase with the original musical event.
How do we know which orientation is correct? A trial and error approach is really the only way that we can determine proper orientation. If a phase reversal switch is not available on the preamp, one must invert phase at the amplifier or speaker terminals. In an LP-only system you might chose to reverse the leads at the rear of the phono cartridge. Remember that inverting phase at the amplifier terminals will change the phase for all sources. This may or may not be correct. For instance, if as described earlier, your preamp inverts phase of the phono section only, then swapping the phase at the speaker terminals corrects the problem for the turntable, but inverts phase for all other sources.
What happens, sonically speaking, when our system is out of phase? Most listeners experience a constricted soundstage with a pinched center-image and reduced lateral spread. In phase, the soundstage will open-up, giving a more rounded feel to the center image, and offer a more correct presentation of depth.
To test for proper phase, choose a recording with which you are quite familiar. I prefer those with simple instrumentation rather than more complex instrumentation, thus allowing the listener to concentrate on just a few instruments or voices. Listen for the characteristics outlined above as you make the switch between connections. Choose the one that sounds more correct, to your ear.
Unfortunately, every recording is different. It is possible that the first selection you play will sound best one way, while the next piece sounds better reversed. All I can say here is that you should set the phase for a few of your favorite recordings and hope that setting will be right for most your recordings.
A "trick" devised by David Fletcher of Sumiko may help you in determining whether a particular recording is out of phase. Sit a few feet in front of one of your speakers. Listen to see if you can readily hear the other speaker. If you can, the system is in-phase with the recording. If you cannot, it is out of phase. This test relies upon a phenomenon known as the Haas Effect, and seems to be somewhat dependent on the room an type of loudspeakers employed.
I have had varying results with the "Fletcher Test." Apparently, it depends rather heavily upon the recording used. The recording must be phase coherent to begin with (which usually suggests a minimalist recording technique using only a pair of microphones). Complex multi-miked affairs are likely to give ambiguous results.
Returning a system to a properly phased orientation can result in significant improvements. Experiment with the process a bit to familiarize yourself with the effects, and you will readily be able to recognize and correct an out of phase condition.


http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/how...lutephase.html

[Leo Yeh]

上面這篇主要是說明phase的問題到處存在 (當然phase跟polarity兩個詞不要弄混了...)
必須要用try and error的方式找....

下面我再來解釋其他的地方

[Leo Yeh]

Absolute Phase是個爭議，大家可試看看自己聽得出來與否 8)，要達對9題喔
(游標放上去就有聲音了)
http://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_abspolarity.php#

這是體驗Stereo Polarity Sound Test (就是Stereohile測試的部份)
http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_polaritycheck.php

[Leo Yeh]

Absolute phase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_phase

High fidelity

In the realm of high fidelity reproduction of music, absolute phase refers the phase of the reproduced sound waves relative to the original sound waves, or to the relative phase of the various channels of stereo or multi-channel reproduction. In most cases, it is actually a question of the polarity of the channels, i.e., an equal phase shift of 180° at all frequencies. Some audiophiles claim[1] that reversing the polarities of all the channels simultaneously makes a perceptible difference in the sound quality, even though the relative phases of all the channels are preserved.

某些發燒友認為即使將喇叭同時極性相反過來，本來的相對相位未變，仍然可聽出不同....

[martin]

這一張絕版了
台灣找不到
我找粉久了;(;(;(;(

這張我或小葉備份分享你聽就好了，因為解說都在網站上，包裝幾乎啥都沒寫。8)

我是幾年前在Joy Audio買的，如果沒貨也可以考慮到Stereophile網站上直接郵購啊。他們常有特惠。

[Leo Yeh]

其他的耳力測試
http://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_index.php

若通不過這些測試是否能調整high End音響???

[Leo Yeh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E2YsxJaADc

一定要看喔 8)

[Michael99]

這張我或小葉備份分享你聽就好了，因為解說都在網站上，包裝幾乎啥都沒寫。8)

我是幾年前在Joy Audio買的，如果沒貨也可以考慮到Stereophile網站上直接郵購啊。他們常有特惠。

謝謝
找機會買吧！
還是實體CD比較有感覺！:P:P:P

[Leo Yeh]

absolute phase, absolute polarity Refers to the preservation of the initial acoustic waveform all the way through the recording and reproducing system so that a compression that reaches the original microphone will be reproduced in the listener's system as a compression reaching his or her ears. Some listeners appear to be more sensitive to this being correct than others, often referring to the inverted state as "muffled."

out-of-phase In a two-channel system, one channel being in opposite polarity to the second, most commonly due to having one speaker hooked up with the red (positive) lead to the red (positive) terminal, the other with the red lead to the black (negative terminal). As well as a "phasey" sound, the result will be a reduction in low frequencies. See "phasey." Not to be confused with an inversion of Absolute Phase or Polarity.

有人聽得到，有人聽不到.....
http://www.psaudio.com/ps/how-to/how...olute-polarity

[Leo Yeh]

若要最龜毛，追求absolute phase, absolute polarity

就是使用喇叭極性測試，加上正向訊號，若是兩隻喇叭都是正的就OK嘍

若是兩隻喇叭都是反的也OK，但只有in Phase (Relative polarity)

但至少都不是out of phase......